The Libertarian Party has started a new fundraising campaign called “Liberty Decides ‘08“. Basically, all Libertarian presidential candidates who have met certain guidelines (age-qualified, member of the LP, filed with the FEC, and raise at least $5000 for ballot access) are listed for competition (with one exception, since Dr. George Phillies chose to decline participation). People then “vote” for those candidates by making a donation in that candidate’s name. Each vote equals $1, so the more you contribute, the more votes you get to cast.
There is no requirement that the donations/votes come from a registered member of the LP, or even that the voters claim to be a libertarian (many libertarians are not registered with the Libertarian Party, since that would remove their right to vote in many state primaries). The Libertarian Party will keep 60% of the money collected, while the eventual presidential nominee will get the remaining 40%, to be used in promoting the Libertarian Party.
There are a number of glaringly obvious problems with this competition.
Right off the bat, I can tell you that there are candidates listed there who have not raised $5000, period. However, if they left out candidates who hadn’t accomplished that yet, there would only be three candidates listed. I’ll get to those candidates in a moment.
There is no indication how many individual contributions each candidate received, and the competition is not set up to gauge support in that manner. This is important for several reasons, not the least of which is that there is no way to tell if the candidates received contributions from others, or if all their funds came from them. While at first glance it would seem unethical for the candidates to contribute to themselves in a competition, since that normally would be viewed as rigging the results, there is in fact nothing stopping the candidates from using their own funds. The rules quite specifically state, “Donations from the candidates will be counted towards funds raised”.
Given that three of the candidates have a great deal of money (specifically the ones sitting in the top three right now) there is absolutely no way for anyone to tell if those candidates simply contributed to themselves, though it definitely appears that they have done exactly that. Furthermore, allowing candidates to contribute to themselves places the wealthy candidates at an unfair advantage, and explains the current results.
The current frontrunners are Wayne Allyn Root, Mike Jingozian, and Daniel Imperato. However, I have seen no indication whatsoever that those three have any significant following. Quite the contrary, since all three have been subjected to a great deal of negative opinion from libertarians.
Imperato in particular is a candidate who has no discernible support, and his “press releases” are met with a great deal of laughter and derision, including from Yours Truly. Many others across the blogosphere have voiced their concern that Imperato may not be completely sane, though he does have enough money to rig the competition with ease. He is now in third place, undoubtedly due to contributing to himself.
Root is new to the LP, and even still has a website called “Millionaire Republican”; as a result he is viewed with suspicion, and is considered to be a Republican by most. Furthermore, Root is running on what is primarily a pro-gambling platform, since he is a Vegas oddsmaker. While libertarians believe gambling should not be illegal, one cannot run a presidential campaign on that stance alone, and some of his other ideas are hardly libertarian. For example, he is pro-war (and as a matter of fact, regularly uses his initials, which spell “WAR”, in place of his name), whereas libertarians adopt a strict non-interventionist policy. Root is currently in first place, also undoubtedly due to contributing to himself.
Jingozian is simply not very well known. I recall reading his site back when his candidacy first came to my attention, and I got the distinct impression that his views are a cross between the Greens and the Libertarians. Few libertarians will support a fusion candidate. By necessity Green goals require governmental intrusion upon our property rights, whereas libertarians believe the government’s only proper activity is to protect our rights. A successful businessman, Jingozian is in second place, also undoubtedly because he contributed to himself.
That the three wealthiest candidates – who have no chance of actually gaining widespread support among LP members – would appear to be winning was a completely foreseeable situation, given how the competition is designed; and it is inevitable that those candidates will contribute to themselves, then use that poll to falsely state they are a “frontrunner” in the race for the LP nomination. It is equally strange that, based on my own estimate of those candidates’ personal wealth, they are in exactly the order I would expect.
That’s a very serious problem, not only because misrepresentations about their own support among LP members might mislead people who are not already familiar with the candidates, but also because as discussed, those candidates who are winning have some decidedly un-libertarian ideas which will undoubtedly reflect very poorly on the LP as a whole.
This poll may also have a very strange effect on the Libertarian Convention. If delegates vote pursuant to what their constituents want, they cannot in good conscience ignore an official LP poll, especially since they may not realize that the wealthy candidates are contributing to themselves, as that information is not available on the same page as the competition. The actual rules are contained in a PDF file.
As much as I disapprove of the LP keeping the majority of the contributions for itself, and stipulating that the other 40% must be used to the LP’s advantage, that does explain why they are allowing candidates to contribute to themselves since there are three wealthy candidates who would get little if any support otherwise.
Another matter of concern is that, according to the rules, the poll counts funds raised since each candidate announced their campaign, including any funds raised by an exploratory committee. That gives an advantage to candidates who announced early, though as it is that early advantage is canceled out by the wealthier candidates who contribute to themselves. Again, it is impossible to ascertain the amount of actual support each candidate has during the course of the competition, which negates any possible usefulness the competition might otherwise have.
Last but not least, even in a poll where actual money is involved, “None Of The Above” rated fourth (for those of you not familiar with the Libertarian Party, delegates can actually vote for NOTA rather than to nominate a candidate). Quite honestly, I think it’s a very popular choice in this presidential election, and if not for the three wealthy candidates contributing to themselves, it would be ranked firmly in first place. NOTA is almost $2000 ahead of the next most popular candidate, which is “Future candidate”; in other words, those contributing to this competition (not counting the first three who are obviously contributing to themselves) by far prefer none of the candidates. NOTA and FC, if placed into one category as it should be, would be roughly equivalent to the current third-place competitor who contributed to himself, and firmly in first place if the three wealthy candidates were discounted due to contributing to themselves.
That says a lot.
Can the serious LP candidates overcome this negativity, based in a lack of excitement about the announced candidates, and a great deal of excitement about Ron Paul, who is running as a Republican? I honestly don’t know, but I somehow doubt it. The LP may end up not nominating a presidential candidate for 2008.
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Sources: Last Free Voice Libertarian Party
You make it sound like the winner of this fund-raising competition gets the nomination. Are we no longer having a convention? If so, then the only think that wealthy candidates can “buy” is a win in the competition, which would be morally equivalent to buying advertising, but would benefit the eventual candidate and the party, even if that eventual candidate was not you.
If seems like it might be expensive, for the candidate, to buy advertising this way, but if that’s his choice, I have no problem with it. It might give us a chance to suck some money out of the wealthy, questionably Libertarian, candidates before nominating a poorer, and more Libertarian nominee.
I haven’t read the fine print, that’s just my impression from what you’ve written. I confess that I’ve been mostly paying attention to Ron Paul this cycle.
Regards,
Rich
Hiya, Rich. I thought I was clear that they are buying the competition, not the nomination itself, but I guess I should have been clearer. My apologies.
My concern is that this competition is being promoted on the official LP site and in official LP literature, without making it clear that candidates can buy a “win” in this competition (so in other words, it’s not really a competition at all).
That seems less than honest to me, and at this point it actually does misrepresent the amount of support each candidate actually has, since the competition does not disclose the source of the contributions, or the number and amounts of contributions.
I hope that makes it a little clearer.
(Just for the record, I’m not supporting any particular candidate as of yet.)
I must say that I am a little confused by George Phillies’ concerns about “Liberty Decides 2008″. Correct me if I am wrong, but politics has always been about money. If not your own, how much you can raise. Ed Clark set the bar for Libertarian presidential candidates, and introduced me to the LP, because his vice president was willing to donate enough $$ to the campaign, to buy massive TV advertising.
Personally I am pleased that Liberty Decides 2008 requires a monetary element.
The LP always seem to attract some, who, without any major or minor support, decide that they want to be our candidate. If Libertarian, libertarian or other $$ support for thes “self”proclaimed candidates is so little, that tells us all a lot about their lack of campaign support campaign.
I’ve only been a Libertarian since 1992, but I remember a few elections where candidates were “party shopping”. At least Liberty Decides allows the LP and our eventual candidate to benefit from Liberty Decides contributions.
I recognize George Phillies as one of the few long time “very actiive” Libertarians running for the Libertarian nomination. I had previously supported Dr. Phillies, and had helped his campaign.
Dr. Phillies has some valid points about the Liberty Decides contributions. We should know how many “LD” donors, and average donations for each pf our candidates. I intend to communicate with national to ask them to do so.
But Dr. Phillies hurts his own campaign by “withdrawing” from Liberty Decides. Some of us do not read the “blogs”, and many might depend on the LP web site to keeep us informed about our LP candidates.
I am sure that Dr. Phillies would rather have the extra $$ in his own campaign coffers, but **IF** he has as much support as he claims, his supporters should be able to contribute enough to let him reach the minimal $5,000.00 goal.
Really, this is 2008, and $5,000.00 is petty cash in a national presidential campaign!!
Dr. Phillies should realise that he alone is the only Libertarian who has an opinion and concern about our LP presidential campaign.
Will George Phillies refuse to participate in Presidential Debates because he does not like the rules? Will he refuse media interviews because he does not like the interviewer or questions?
I must say that I am a little confused by George Phillies’ concerns about “Liberty Decides 2008″. Correct me if I am wrong, but politics has always been about money. If not your own, how much you can raise. Ed Clark set the bar for Libertarian presidential candidates, and introduced me to the LP, because his vice president was willing to donate enough $$ to the campaign, to buy massive TV advertising.
Personally I am pleased that Liberty Decides 2008 requires a monetary element.
The LP always seem to attract some, who, without any major or minor support, decide that they want to be our candidate. If Libertarian, libertarian or other $$ support for thes “self”proclaimed candidates is so little, that tells us all a lot about their lack of campaign support campaign.
I’ve only been a Libertarian since 1992, but I remember a few elections where candidates were “party shopping”. At least Liberty Decides allows the LP and our eventual candidate to benefit from Liberty Decides contributions.
I recognize George Phillies as one of the few long time “very actiive” Libertarians running for the Libertarian nomination. I had previously supported Dr. Phillies, and had helped his campaign.
Dr. Phillies has some valid points about the Liberty Decides contributions. We should know how many “LD” donors, and average donations for each pf our candidates. I intend to communicate with national to ask them to do so.
But Dr. Phillies hurts his own campaign by “withdrawing” from Liberty Decides. Some of us do not read the “blogs”, and many might depend on the LP web site to keeep us informed about our LP candidates.
I am sure that Dr. Phillies would rather have the extra $$ in his own campaign coffers, but **IF** he has as much support as he claims, his supporters should be able to contribute enough to let him reach the minimal $5,000.00 goal.
Really, this is 2008, and $5,000.00 is petty cash in a national presidential campaign!!
Dr. Phillies should realise that he alone is the only Libertarian who has an opinion and concern about our LP presidential campaign.
Will George Phillies refuse to participate in Presidential Debates because he does not like the rules? Will he refuse media interviews because he does not like the interviewer or questions?
George Phillies, please recognize that you are playing with the pros, and the referees sometimes make bad calls, but we Libertarians need Libertarians openly campaigning for the presidential nomination everywhere they can.
Jonathan Zwickel – Fresno, Ca.
Hiya, Jonathan.
I agree, 5K is petty cash in a presidential campaign, if that.
To be honest, I’m not exactly sure why Dr. P decided to not participate. Like you, I have a great deal of respect for the man, and I think he has done a lot to spread libertarianism. But I do think you are very right, it may indeed harm his chances of garnering the nomination because many LPers get their LP info from the LP website, and not the blogs.
My only real concern with the Liberty Decides is that it does not reveal the source of the funds, thus allowing some candidates who do not have widespread support to donate to themselves without anyone ever knowing that’s what they did, and thus appear far more popular than they really are.
I don’t necessarily think that the competition should name individual donors (though perhaps they could list initials), but I do think that the LP should make others aware if a candidate is donating to him/herself. Put the stats out there for everyone to see – how much each donation is, and whether it comes from a member of the LP, a delegate, the candidate, or someone related to the candidate and/or working/volunteering for their campaign – and it will be a fair competition.
I found http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+00+PR
But Root, Burns, Hollist, and Hess, are not on this list
Daniel
http://www.lpmndc.org
Hi, Daniel, and thanks for that link.
I just checked, and Root and Burns are registered with the FEC, but both have reported no contributions as of their last report.
Hollist is still not registered with the FEC.
Hess is registered with the FEC, but did not register as a Libertarian candidate; he appears to be registered as an Independent.