At this point, I simply see no reason to continue this conversation.

Also, it seems you misunderstood me. I don’t want these girls in a juvenile facility (and you are right, they will likely be beaten in a juvenile facility, by someone who wants bragging rights). I want them in prison, so they can see what the rest of their lives are going to be like if they don’t cut the crap. I don’t want them in prison for a long time. A few months would likely do it, since they are not yet hardened criminals, but that is the path they are on, and it must be stopped.

Just so I make sure I understand you….. you think these girls should just get a slap on the wrist because they didn’t cause injuries requiring inpatient hospitalization? Surely you jest. This was not a schoolyard fight where someone got a black eye and a bloody lip. They lured her there, held her against her will, beat her repeatedly - knocked her out at one point, then waited for her to regain consciousness so they could beat her even more - she has lost partial eyesight and partial hearing, yet you think she wasn’t beaten badly enough for her attackers to be treated like they have committed a violent crime?

Wow. Just, wow.

Just because other kids show more outward signs of a beating does not mean they were beaten more severely, nor does it mean that these girls should get away with it because it was ‘just kids fighting, and all kids do it’. This wasn’t just a fight. This was a premeditated crime, a group of violent people who intentionally picked someone they knew wouldn’t fight back, and if she had fought back, chances are she’d have been beaten far more severely. She was far outnumbered, after all.

I haven’t seen anyone threaten their lives, but admittedly some people may go that far. If it is a credible threat, it should be prosecuted. However, you seem to be overlooking the irony of the girls and their supporters complaining that the girls got so much negative attention. These girls videotaped their crime and planned to put it on YouTube, so they obviously wanted attention for their antisocial behavior. It may not be the attention they want, but they still brought it upon themselves.

If the girl who was attacked wrote on MySpace “ha ha all in jail”, I honestly can’t say I blame her for feeling that way, given what they did to her. She is the victim of a violent crime, and that is what you don’t seem to understand.

You are mistaken if you think that I care only because it was on television. Read my “about” page.

also, just to make sure, i dont say tori got beat bad, just that many kids get beat that bad and many much worse and if you like dont stay in hospital few days well there many kids who got beat much worse.
so im sorry for tori but its like lots of kids get injured for real and no one knows or cares. but when its on tv all the time then all cry just over concusion and black eyes but so mnay kids get that.

Everyone who comments here must list a valid email address, though, and the comment which I replaced with my notation did not leave one. Not to worry, I don’t contact people who comment here, unless I know them; but it helps me differentiate between what is and is not a valid comment. In other words, the comment which I disallowed was clearly posted only to harass and insult, since they falsified their contact information. It is also cowardly, and I don’t tolerate cowards well.

That being said your comment, url or not, is perfectly fine, and in fact you make a valid point. Allow me to explain.

In female prisons, attacks are uncommon, and all prisoners are housed based upon how much danger they pose to staff and other inmates. So my reference to these girls spending time in prison is not a suggestion that they be beaten. Instead, it is a suggestion that they be held against their will, and be surrounded by people who are far meaner than they are, so they know what it is like to feel fear.

You know, kind of like how their victim felt when they refused to let her leave, and terrorized her for an extended period of time. Unless they are made to understand WHY what they did was so very, very wrong, they are likely to re-offend. These girls are bullies, it may be their parents’ fault that they are bullies, or perhaps it is due to peer pressure. Either way, they inflicted serious injury upon an unwitting victim who did not attempt to defend herself despite the prolonged beating, and we must as a society not only cannot tolerate this violent behavior, we must use them as examples lest other teen girls follow suit (which they most assuredly will do, if these girls are not severely punished).

Stopping people like these girls from continuing to prey upon the weak is an act of humanism, because it enhances the lives of those around them, who might otherwise become their victims. Teaching them that their mindset is dangerous, so they choose a positive path in life before it’s too late, is another act of humanism because it stops them from throwing their lives away, and again it is a preemptive strike for those who might otherwise become their victims.

Sometimes we must be cruel, in order to be kind. Luckily, that is usually only necessary when someone employs extreme or unnecessary violence.

so sorry but is this not saying getting beat in prison is good? so if say a guard likes your blog and respect you and your a humanist and you say getting beat is good for the girls, he may look the other way when they get beat, no? Or maybe beat them too?
sorry but thats how i see it, and im not sayingthe girls do not deserve a beating but in prisonit can get real bad they could really get hurt or jusr get killed if everyone thinks they should get hurt.
anyway are you for or against them getting beat? and should gurads let them get beat or no?
i’m not judging just asking, is all.

oh and i really have no URL! does everyone here have url?

You are therefore banned from the blog, and I have deleted your comment.

The first thing I thought when they said the headline on the news and where it took place was “Red Necks.”

Red Neck means to me, people who’s mind set is myopic. They were never in an environment that properly educated these people morally, ethically, and intellectually as they grew up as a child.

They grew up and bread some more “Red Necks.”

The children are a reflection of their parents.

In my opinion I do believe theese teenagers did wrong by beating Victoria she didn’t deserved getting beat up by 6 girls at the same time and I think the teengars should have some time in jail…. but!!! my concern is why did Victoria’s parents let her leave out of their house in the first place??? why was she living in Mercades Nichols grandmothers house?? second of all why did Victoria post comments about those girls on myspace?? she’s old enough to know the difference between what’s bad and what’s good…… not that i am on those girls side is just something people have to think of too….. Everyone as a teen gets into arguments with parents like myself but they dont kick me out of the house I don’t leave either I had thought about it but i don’t. I still think its Victoria’s parents fault also.

The fact that she didn’t fight back means that it wasn’t a fight, it was an attack by six people upon one person. There is a very big difference between a fight and an attack. No one with half a spine “fights” someone who will not fight back.

Their age is meaningless to me, at least with regard to the 17-year-olds. If they want to commit an adult crime, they can pay the consequences just like any 18-year-old. A few months’ difference in age does mean that they should get a pass on their criminal behavior, after all. This was not a victimless crime, so I don’t think they should get probation or some other slap on the wrist. It was premeditated, it was prolonged, and they very clearly held her against her will, as is clearly seen in the video. That calls for prison time.

I think the best thing that could happen to these girls is for them to them get a very big taste of their own medicine. Throw those 17-year-olds into adult prison, and let them find out what the real world is like, living among people who act just like them. They will come out of the experience with a very real respect for what it is like to be beaten by multiple people at once, and to have no way to escape their attackers.

I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. They committed a violent crime, and now they must pay the price which society demands for that behavior. Oh well. It’s either stop them now, or wait until they hurt someone even worse.

As for the boys, all I know is that they were arrested, and that they allegedly stood lookout. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but if they are in that video, they’ve got a very serious problem.

I agree that they should be tried as adults for the crime that they committed. I have been following this story ever since I heard about it and really hope that they get what they deserve.

I can’t believe that the parents are more or less condoning what these girls have done (if you can call them parents). This is someone elses child that has been brutally mauled by animals. How would they feel if it was one of there girls and how dare Mercades Nichols mom try act as if her evil daughter is innocent in all this. She was there, she was equally to blame as the other girls. It really makes my blood boil.

Well Victoria, I am a great believer in what comes around goes around. They will get there commupence and sooner the better. We will see who has the last laugh then.

I hope you make a full recovery and will be able to get on with your life.

As for the others, I hope you rot in hell (even that would be too good for you)

The grandparents were not home and said that if they were it wouldn’t have gone. I would certainly hope not.

So they didn’t lure Lindsay there, so much as they just waited for her and then refused to let her leave?

I’m going to give the grandparents the benefit of the doubt, and assume they weren’t home when this happened.

Still, I think something is very wrong in the home life of all these girls, or this would not have happened. Girls are not like boys, in that they are not naturally aggressive. I still suspect they were all spoiled to the point that they believed they could do no wrong. I’d be interested to know if any of them have a record of prior violence, school fights, etc.

Pariahs of the community, all of them.

The two boys, too.

Of course the parents are going to blame everyone but their kids and themselves…I have always told DH that if he did something to got to jail, don’t expect me to bail them out. The same rules apply to Babyhead and Babygirl. If they do something knowingly and land in jail be it fighting, stealing, drugs, etc…well then they can just sit there. The way I see it, if my kids end up in jail, then obviously nothing I taught them sunk in…so maybe jail will.