Megan Meier final Myspace message: “You are the kind of boy a girl would kill herself over”

November 20, 2008 by ElfNinosMom

Prosecutors said it’s the nation’s first cyberbullying trial, and its results could set a legal precedent for dealing with the issue of online harassment.

Defense attorney Dean Steward told jurors Drew did not violate the Computer Use and Fraud Act — used in the past to address computer hacking — and reminded them she was not facing charges dealing with the suicide.

“This is not a homicide case,” Steward said.

While the trial is expected to center on the social networking site’s terms of service, most of the first day’s testimony dealt with Megan’s suicide.

A composed Tina Meier told jurors her daughter was taking medication for attention deficit disorder and depression and that she struggled with low self-esteem. Concerned about her daughter’s safety, Meier said she had Megan’s father reverse the lock on her bedroom.

“I was nervous she would do something,” said Meier, adding that Megan previously tried committing suicide.

Meier said Megan was bullied at the Missouri school she attended with Sarah. Megan transferred to a private school months before she killed herself.

Megan was doing well at her new school when she met “Josh Evans” on MySpace in early September 2006 and wanted to be her friend, said Meier, who put restrictions on Megan’s computer usage, including having a parent in the room when she was online.

But on a rainy October day, Meier said, she took her younger daughter to the orthodontist and when she called to see how Megan was doing, her oldest was crying. “Josh” and two other girls were saying mean things about her, Meier said.

When Meier arrived home, Megan showed her what was being said. One of the messages said the world would be better off without her, Meier testified. She said she told her daughter that she wasn’t supposed to be online without her being there.

“The last words she said to me were ‘You are supposed to be my mom, you are supposed to be on my side,’ ” Meier said, trying to hold back tears.

The teen’s mother said she later ran upstairs and found Megan hanging in the closet with a belt around her neck. Megan died the next day.

In his opening statement, U.S. Attorney Thomas O’Brien disclosed for the first time what Megan wrote after allegedly receiving the message that said the world would be better off without her.

“‘You are the kind of boy a girl would kill herself over,”‘ O’Brien said of Megan’s response.

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Posted in Courts & Justice System, Law, People in the news, children, crime, unusual behaviors | Tagged Megan Meier, Lori Drew, Myspace suicide, Tina Meier | 40 Comments

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on November 21, 2008 at 4:52 am | Reply TheDeeZone

Drew needs to be held accountable for her actions. Glad that (insert derogatory adjective of choice here) woman is having to answer for what she did.
on November 21, 2008 at 6:16 am | Reply Irlandese

Regardless of the outcome, two things are clear–Megan Meier’s life is over, and Lori Drew’s life might as well be over. No matter where she tries to hide, Lori Drew can never escape justice. The court of public opinion will haunt her forever, no matter what she eventually is convicted/not convicted of. The truth of what the Drews and Ashley Grills did to a 13-year-old girl will follow these people around for the rest of their lives. Lori Drew still doesn’t “get it”, and never will. Any adult participating in the behavior she did is not a normal, mature adult in any sense of the word–therefore she’s not capable of recognizing any wrong-doing, therefore is not capable of feeling any remorse. I believe these people are called “sociopaths”. The only hope I have in this case is that it’s not too late for Lori Drew’s daughter to escape becoming the sick, cruel, twisted woman her mother is.
on November 24, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Reply Tina

As I watched the Today show today I was saddened once again for the Meier family. What a tragic loss for a family to have to go through! A mother is not supposed to bury their child before themselves and to think another mother had anything to do with the loss of Megan is terrible. The Drews absolutely don’t get it! Lori Drew is a poor excuse for a human and deserves the fate she gets at the end of this lifetime. God bless the Meier family. They will be in my thoughts from today to eternity.
on November 26, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Reply Kelly

As older women, we are suppose to be role models and helping our young girls grow to become responsible adults with caring hearts for others. I am sad this beautiful, young lady has lost her life and a forty-nine year old woman would sink so low as to make a teenagers life harder than it already is at that age. What has happened to our society?? My love to Ms. Meier and her family, and my hope to Ms. Drew that she will realize the most important function of living is to love, protect, and care for all people.
on November 26, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Reply Kelly

As older women, we are suppose to be role models in helping our young girls grow to become responsible adults with caring hearts for others. I am sad this beautiful, young lady has lost her life and a forty-nine year old woman would sink so low to make a teenager’s life harder than it already is at that age. What has happened to our society?? My love to Ms. Meier and her family, and my hope to Ms. Drew that she will realize the most important function of living is to love, protect, and care for all people.
on November 27, 2008 at 5:53 am | Reply Mark

As a Father of a teenage girl, I know just how mean children can be to each other, with words.
I can’t even imagine that a parent would encourage their own child or be a part of such cruel activity.

Shame on you Lori Drew!
on November 27, 2008 at 6:36 am | Reply Cmemorie7

I think that the world would be better off without people like Lori Drew. But if karma is true and what comes around goes around, then hopefully she will lose her job (if she has not lost it already) and end up unable to find another one…then she will lose all her money, get some sort of horrible disease (that she cannot pay for since she no longer has a job, insurance or money) and die a miserable and painful death. She was an adult, she should have known better and ps who the heck let this moron breed and raise a child? Too bad we can’t reinstate forced sterilization–people like her and her offspring (and that idiot 18 year old assistant) do not need to breed and bring more garbage into this world!
on November 27, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Reply Ben D

Isn’t it amazing that big fat tubs of lard, the very people you would think would be very aware of another human’s feelings, would create hurt in a young girl. How pathetic these 3 are and my only hope that each and every day is a living hell for them. So much so that it drives them to an early demise. That day, the ” all you can eat ” restaurants in the area will be able to breathe a sigh of relief.
on December 1, 2008 at 12:45 am | Reply freud99

This is certainly a sad story, but I think it will be even sadder if this verdict is allowed to stand. Signing up for an account with false information should not be considered a crime. The internet service should have the right to delete your name if it wishes but that should be the end of it. Perhaps it should have the right to charge you a fee for the time wasted by its employees in removing you from the system. We should not try to make every obnoxious and unkind action illegal even if in rare cases it seems to lead to a bad end.

And I do have to say “seems to lead to a bad end” rather than “leads to a bad end.” Even in a civil suit, which is generally easier to prove than a criminal case, the question of causation would not be trivial. It appears that young Megan was very disturbed. Her brief flirtation with “Josh” may have delayed a suicide that might have occurred earlier. Other events that we do not know about my have occurred. She may have missed a dose of some psychiatric medication. I do not think it is obvious at all that the actions of Lori Drew (or those of the person working for her) actually caused this suicide.

I am pretty sure that I would never do anything as stupid as what Ms. Drew did. But I do not think it should be illegal for me to assume a false identity on the internet. It should be illegal for a person to try to harm someone over the internet either with a true or a false identity. But I don’t think that Drew actually intended to harm the girl. She was just probing for information. And simply making someone feel bad should not be considered harming them.

Some have said that Ms. Drew knew Megan had psychiatric problems. In some schools half the children are seeing shrinks and the other half should be. The fact that I know someone has a mental problem doesn’t mean I am committing a crime if have an argument with him and he runs off and shoots himself or someone else (or me). Having said that, I also must say that deliberately inflaming or upsetting anyone is a very unwise idea. But it is extremely unusual for a suicide (or homicide) to occur as a result.

I do not believe it is my duty to know the details of someone else’s health. My neighbor might have a heart problem. If my noisy party upsets his sleep and he dies of a heart attack after waking up in the middle of the night, his widow can sue me, of course. But don’t charge me with killing him. Even if my noisy party violates the municipal laws or federal laws (because the music was illegally download from the internet), I should still not be charged with killing him. Even if I deliberately had a noisy party in order to upset him, I still should not be considered responsible for his death unless I specifically had good reason to believe that the noise would physically hurt him. Just knowing in general that he was sick is not sufficient. And it should not be any different if my neighbor is a 13 year old child with epilepsy and my noisy music seems to provoke a seizure that kills him. This should be treated as an unusual, unfortunate turn of events. Not that I would ever do that.

This never should have been put into play as a criminal case. Prosecuting it is merely pandering to public outrage over something that is still not fully understood.
on December 1, 2008 at 5:11 am | Reply whatever fake name I want

Megan Meier deserved to die for lack of value on her life. Laurie didn’t kill her, she didn’t put a gun to her head, and she didn’t put the knife in her hand. Oh poor me a boy don’t like me, ah a bully said I have cooties, oh no…MOMMY…….. This is AMERICA and people get picked on daily. Survival of the fittest and obviously she didn’t have the means to survive. Megan AND ONLY MEAGAN choose to end her life because she was weak. Laurie didn’t want her to die, and anyone that thinks so is an idiot. Pisses me off that this is even nationalized get over it! Fact is Meagan was weak and its firkin bullshit that Drew is EVEN TRIED for manslaugter! You people are idiots! Oh no, I called you idiots, now go kill yourself… Millions of people have fake profiles, millions do not read the terms of conditions, there is NO WAY IN HELL I will give my name on a website, do you know the rate of identity theft. I like my privacy thank you very firkin much. I’m really pissed off at the mom to, raising her daughter that if she ever has a problem just commits suicide; she was never even responsible enough to use the internet. Yes it’s the parent’s fault that she died; maybe she should cap the alcohol and put the steak knives away. A little parenting would have told you that Megan had issues and she need mental help, which I’m also recommending you to get yourself because you’re not mentally capable of reproducing. Where was your support to your daughter? Why did you not teach your daughter how to IGNORE PEOPLE!! Hello, I have the choice to not respond to emails, phone calls, text messages, letters and all together have them deleted if I so choose to. NOW, if your daughter had even 1 brain cell she would have respectfully deleted this boy from her myspace and washed her hands with him and onto her life she goes. But she decided that this “boys” opinion was more than hers. Sounds like Megan was an idiot to me because someone that can handle the day to day would know tomorrow is another day, and the injury will soon fade. I was picked on when I was young and guess what, I’m still here. I don’t bully, I don’t encourage it and agree Laurie made a decision and she had to defend herself. Was she wrong? No she wasn’t , because If I needed some investigation done I too would do whatever I had to do to find out the truth. She said one thing that is world is a better place without you…hmmm well you know what…HOW IRONIC!! Without this happening this wouldn’t be national news, therefore bringing new laws in motion. It’s actually funny that although Megan wasn’t’ fit for life, she was motivation for laws. Again I don’t encourage bullying, I do shout out my thoughts on stupidity and Megan has caught my attention. But thankfully we don’t’ have Megan around to hear cry anymore, Just her mom. I hope she too follows her daughters destiny. Man! If I only had the magical wand to rid idiotic stupid whiners. We have freedom of speech, and if we want to create a fake profile then we can just do that. If we want to block our phone number from caller Id we can, if we want computer encryption WE CAN. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! This was a fake profile used to get inside information due to fact that Megan was probably a backstabbing backtalkin bitch, I don’t know her and neither do 99% of you so we’ll just leave it at that. And if same as saying goes for the kitchen if you can’t take the heat. If you can’t deal with life, then do the world a favor. And Meagan did just that!! I wouldn’t show emotions for someone that didn’t value their life either. Oh yeh I in no way whatsoEVER know Megan, Laurie or whoever her moms name is. So now Megan’s mom, you can go join your daughter because I hurt your poor feelings. I do feel for your loss, as I been in your shoes with “almost” the same circumstances, but I’m not trying to put the blame on anyone else, the only one that can be blamed is no longer with me.
- on April 6, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Reply John A
  
  You have to be the most inconsiderate and uneducated individual that I have ever seen here! I am truely upset with myself for wasting 2.5 minutes of my life reading your insane ramblings. If you think for a second that the actions of Lori Drew, Sarah Drew, and Ashley Grills did not contribute to Megans suicide then its you that is the idiot. Though the girl may have had existing psychological issues, their actions provided the motivation that led her to suicide. I liken this to vehicular manslaughter. If an individual gets behind the wheel of a car and kills another while speeding, they are charged with vehicular manslaughter on the basis that they failed to maintain safe control of their vehicle and their neglegent actions contributed to the death of an innocent. In this case, the fake MySpace profile was the vehicle and Lori Drew was the driver. She failed to utlize the MsSpace account safely and her neglegent actions contributed to Megans death. She should be charged with and found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
  
  The increasing popularity of online social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter scare me. Unregulated and unchecked, these sites pose a great risk to our children and this case highlights it. While I am generally not a fan of government interference, I think that more stringent controls and penalites should be in place to ensure that these sites are used responsibly.
  
  John A
  - on April 6, 2009 at 8:12 pm | Reply ElfNinosMom
    
    I agree with you, John. I left up that comment because it was so stupid, I thought others might be interested to see how idiot faction view this case.
    
    I do think the increasing popularity of social networking sites pose a risk to our children. At the same time, I think parents have the responsibility for ensuring their children are safe on the internet. I really don’t think we can police the internet to the degree necessary to stop this kind of behavior, nor should we want to do so since it would by necessity quell the legitimate First Amendment rights of millions. The key is parental oversight.
    
    Of course, even with close parental oversight, children can get online access at libraries, school, friends’ houses, etc. There is no way to protect them completely from this particular danger, unfortunately.
    
    This was not a hoax, though. It was a crime. I have always said that, and I will always say that. I’m not sure the crime was Myspace fraud, since as I pointed out in another thread, the Meiers also committed MySpace fraud by allowing Megan to have an account when she was under the age of 14; and it’s a very slippery slope to use the courts to enforce TOS violations.
    
    I will always believe, however, that Lori Drew should have been criminally charged in the death of Megan Meier. Based upon her own police report in which she admitted what she had done, in my opinion her guilt is not even an issue. She stalked that child under a false identity, with malice aforethought and the specific intention of causing Megan severe emotional and psychological harm. She planned to humiliate Megan in public with the MySpace persona as well, but Megan committed suicide before she could do that.
    
    Lori Drew is just plain evil. Anyone who would do that to a child is evil, and should never be permitted around children. She is a predator, pure and simple, and our children need to be protected from people like her; but in a technological age, it’s just not possible.
    
    What people must understand is that this is not at all the same as the typical online stalking situation between strangers, which is what many seem to believe. This was a grown woman who actually knew the child, and knew the child was emotionally disabled. Lori didn’t do it to find out what Megan was saying about her daughter, no matter what she claims. She did it because she wanted to extract revenge after Megan stopped being friends with her daughter. Lori’s daughter couldn’t get to Megan after the Meiers changed her school, so they stalked and abused her online instead. It’s exactly that simple, and Lori can deny it all she wants, but she has a very strong motive to lie since she could still be charged in the death of Megan Meier. There is no statute of limitations on murder, after all.
on December 1, 2008 at 5:40 am | Reply ElfNinosMom

Speaking of idiots, “whatever fake name”, Lori Drew wasn’t tried for manslaughter. She was tried for violations of the federal laws regarding communication, on the basis that she defrauded MySpace.

Why do you feel the need to attack a dead girl, when she is not here to defend herself, then tell her mother to go join her daughter?

Yet, you claim you are not a bully. Yeah, right, keep telling yourself that. Just don’t expect anyone to believe it.
on December 1, 2008 at 6:58 am | Reply TheDeeZone

From my experience people like whatever where usually the worst bullies as kids. My guess is Whatever is a real coward and has serious psychological issues.
on December 1, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Reply Carter

Unfortunately this is a case that tends to bring out both the bad & good in human nature. I’ve seen the sympathy extended to the Meiers as well as the hatred towards the Drews. As a parent of a little girl myself I am of course outraged like many & cant help but wonder if justice has been done? I understand that Megan had issues under the surface prior to this but I cant help but compare this to teen drinking in a way.

If parents allow a one time party where teens drink at their house & then someone is killed as a result,the parents can be held responsible. I see Lori Drew in the same light in this case.She created the account & brought other’s in on this “joke” where the others were teen girls.

Obviously use of the internet isn’t the same as alcoholic consumption for teens but I felt the courts should have placed both a greater sense of responsibility as well as a greater punishment on Lori Drew. This could have set a tone for future incidents which will have similarities to this one. It would also have set a greater emphasis on parental responsibility in monitoring their childrern’s use of the internet.

Hopefully time will do it’s part to help ease the grief but I fear in the case of the loss of a child it may not. As for the Drews, I hope that the father & daughter will be spared some of the public backlash( the daughter is still a teen & under the so called guidance of her parents). I do hope that justice will be served in some degree for Lori as well. I’m happy to say that my bloodlust towards her has gone down since the start of this ordeal because ultimately it wont serve any purpose to live in a state of rage towards her. Perhaps a civil suit will serve some of that purpose because I dont believe in a “God” of any kind that will judge the living or the dead.

In the end hopefelly this story will open parents eyes to monitor the behavior of their children more carefully in certain areas as well as teach how not to butt into other aspects of they’re kids lives as well.
on December 4, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Reply CatTongueCatcher

Can someone explain to me why the Meiers are divorcing?
on December 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Reply TheDeeZone

CatTongueCatcher,

From an interview I heard with the Meirs they stated the reason was due to stress and that they had grown apart.
on December 5, 2008 at 6:26 am | Reply Pss

I agree with “what ever fake…” says. I just don’t think I would have said it that harshly. Where is this special team of people who can decipher why someone committed suicide. Suicide is a personal choice, that no one but themselves will know why they did it. If she valued her own life to begin with, a stupid boys opinion would not have mattered. Plenty of kids live horribly abusive lifes at the hands of adults, and don’t kill themselves. This girl had what seems to be at the very least an average life. She wasn’t neglected she obviously had a computer. Suicide is not a normal reaction to being hurt. And some of you people are advocating it to other teens when you minimize the Megan’s role in her own death.
on December 5, 2008 at 6:28 am | Reply Pss

Last sentance should read “…when you minimize the role Megan had in her own death.”
on December 5, 2008 at 7:44 am | Reply Irlandese

I simply cannot believe what I have been reading here. Unbelievable. Not one of you haters could possibly have a daughter–at least I hope not. Megan Meier was ONLY 13. Only 13. To hold her responsible for the adults’ actions and blithely dismiss her suicide as “she deserved to die”??? WTF??? And have others here agree? If Lori Drew’s only reason to create the “Josh Evans” profile was to find out what Megan Meier was “saying” about her daughter, then why would she not only begin but CONTINUE a “flirtation” posing as a teenage boy? Her motive was to HURT AND HUMILIATE this poor young girl!! If not, she would have kept it at just a friendship and let it go at that. What Lori Drew, her daughter, and Ashley Grills did is some seriously SICK GARBAGE. She lured Megan Meiers into a fake relationship so that she could deliberately reject her romantically–an obviously mentally fragile young girl–in order to hurt her because Lori thought she had “said things” about her own daughter. Sick, cruel, and twisted. The rest of you people who want to maintain that Megan “deserved to die”–none of you deserve to ever have children. Do us a favor and don’t EVER procreate.
on December 5, 2008 at 8:07 am | Reply Pss

I don’t think she deserved to die, just that her suicide was her desicion, and no one can prove why she did it.
on December 5, 2008 at 6:55 pm | Reply I

it is a sad situation for all. It reminds me of the heavy metal witch trials of the 80’s. Some kid listens to Ozzy’s “Suicide Solution” and then kills himself. It’s a song. Ozzy didn’t go over there and personally kill the kid. I’ve listened to that song countless times and not once ever killed myself or even thought of killing myself. Obviously, that kid had issues and needed only the slightest nudge to do the deed. I think this case w/ Megan has some similarities. What if someone had been walking by her house and flipped her off? Would they be on trial? If someone was giving someone else constant mental harrassment on a daily basis and finally that person coudn’t stand it any longer and offed themselves… that could be grounds for a trial. But someone being vicious online? C’mon. Just turn off the damn internet. And Megan obviously thought her mom wasn’t “on her side” in the last moments of her life. Why isn’t her mom on trial for not supporting her daughter. You see how this all gets out of hand. Who is the responsible one? I think it’s ultimately Megan. I know people want to sympathize with Megan and her family, but I just see it as Megan was traveling down this path for a long time and one person finally dropped the straw the broke the camel’s back. What about the other kids who bullied her before private school… why aren’t they on trial? Also I think this verdict is putting a huge burden on websites to have to police the people using their sites. It’s just not possible with the amount of traffic these sites get. If someone kills someone else in NYC does the city get sued? Blame the users not the sites. Terrible things are going to come out of all of this,
I think.
on December 5, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Reply Irlandese

I–your argument comparing the Ozzy situation to Lori Drew is lacking. Ozzy never deliberately went looking for one particular listener–he never made it personal. Lori Drew DELIBERATELY targeted Megan Meier because she wanted to punish Megan for supposedly hurting her daughter. Ozzy didn’t write the words (with one person in mind) to his song “Suicide Solution” to deliberately encourage people to commit suicide–quite the opposite. Lori Drew, however, DELIBERATELY invented “Josh Evans” to mess with Megan Meier. Lori Drew knew Megan Meier, knew that she suffered from emotional issues, and was just a child, but that didn’t stop her, her daughter, and Ashley Grills from using words to INTENTIONALLY TORTURE HER. As for walking by her house and someone “flipping her the bird”, Lori Drew didn’t have enough guts to do that–she had to make up a fake person and hide behind a computer screen to do her dirty work. Over and over again.
You obviously have no idea what is inclined to send a child “over the edge” into suicide, thankfully. Megan Meier had no idea the “boy” she was talking to was really a woman who knew which buttons to push. This blame the victim bullshit has got to stop.
on December 6, 2008 at 1:59 am | Reply Carter

Irlandese;

I agree with your stance to a certain point but at the same time we have to recognize that Megan did have deep issues & if not for this instance it could just have been any other possible trauma that caused this very same outcome. Lets face it kids can be cruel & this could very well have been the words exchanged between 2 girls of the same age in the same class.

Im not saying this to absolve Lori Drew by any means but we cant say that she deserves some long prison term or death either ;thats ridiculous. People are treated cruelly in this world every day & to try to micromanage everyones mental issues to one degree or another when seeking blame is impossible.

Yes this was a tragedy & yes Lori Drew is partly responsible but not to the degree that alot of people’s emotions want her to be. There are alot of suicides that I’m sure could show cruelty in some degree but we cant look to place blame on everyone but the “victim” if you will.

And for the record I’m not saying that we look to place blame period.The facts are that Megan was deeply disturbed & this prank was the straw that tumbled her house of cards but she was obviously in need of greater care than what she was currently receiving.
on December 6, 2008 at 3:39 am | Reply Irlandese

Carter–there is no way to say if Megan Meier would have eventually committed suicide for another reason—but for the actions of Lori Drew, she certainly would not have for the reason she did. The chances of a similar incident happening to her (an adult with an agenda deliberately targeting a 13yo child) is slim to none. Lori Drew’s motives and means were way beyond what a child Megan Meiers could handle—in fact, many people twice her age would have been devastated by the cruel scenario that Drew et al created. The fact is that this group carried this farce beyond negligence into malicious. You cannot assign blame to this girl by implying she was already mentally fragile. Drew already knew this, and did what she did anyway. But for the actions of Drew et al, she would not have committed suicide. IMO, Ashley Grills was just as guilty–that last message to Megan was just way over the top. Lucky for her they gave her immunity.
on December 6, 2008 at 5:03 am | Reply Carter

Irlandese;

I dont know about you but I was in highschool in the mid to late eighties & kids showed plenty of examples of cruelty then as well;it’s more visible now because of the information technology devices at our disposal. This easily could have been facilitated by kids without Loris help, it wasn’t an idea that only an adult could have thought of,especially when you look at the violence that has occurred at some highschools from the students themselves.

You cant possibly believe as well that Megans psyche was so solid that any other event that Megan perceived as “catostrophic” couldn’t have pushed her over the edge just as easily. It’s safe to say that any doctor would look at her as having more than just mild emotional issues.

Would you have or have you ever been that distraught in life that you have wanted to end it? Outside of losing my little girl I cant think of anything that could ever make me snap like that without deeper issues present. Megans situation isn’t original,it’s simply gathered steam as a result of her death. I dont need to be a doctor to know that her level of depression or mental instability was greater than a cruel prank because they happen in all degrees of severity between kids in these times & there are alot more kids who dont commit suicide than do as a result of it.
on December 6, 2008 at 8:52 am | Reply Irlandese

Carter–”Josh Evans”–a group effort created and maintained by Lori Drew–was the catalyst for this girl’s suicide. Nobody is arguing that there were deeper issues present. The fact was Lori Drew knew this and created an entity in order to create even MORE mental distress in a girl who was ONLY 13. It seems as if you’re saying, “Oh well, if it was not Lori Drew and her gang pushing her over the edge, it would have been something else”. Not only do I not believe that, it does not let Lori Drew et al off the hook for any of this. This is like somebody blaming a house for catching fire because somebody was playing with matches! But in this case, Lori and gang had FLAMETHROWERS.
on December 8, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Reply Carter

Irlandese;
I’m not advocating that Lori Drew be “let off the hook” but I cant agree with the amount of bloodlust that I’ve seen from others in regards to punishing her either.

I’m sorry but if Megan was disturbed enough to take her life over cruel comments from what she thought was a potential boyfriend at her age,then yes I’m convinced that many other events that she perceived as traumatic could just as easily pushed her over as well.

Do you think this is normal behavior in this situation & that Megan was leading just a great life until this came along?No Megan was disturbed & if not this “boy” someother boy or situation involving greater dissapointment could have & probably would have led to her death. Come on! She knew this “guy” for what a month & she’s willing to kill herself over an internet comment he makes & you’d have me beleive she wasn’t teetering on the brink of suicide emotionally to begin with?!

Like I said you cant micro-manage everyone’s mental instabilities 24 hr’s a day to keep every scenario that is cruel or hurtful to prevent suicide or trauma . For example; if someone is more fragile emotionally & they have an argument with their respective boy or girlfriend & then go wreck their car in a huff over “cruel words” are we then to hold the living responsible because of it? Better judgement should obviously have been executed but to punish Drew to the degree that some want would create way too slippery of a slope legally.
on December 8, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Reply Irlandese

Well Carter, I guess you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree about this. You do indeed think that she was so mentally unstable that she would have committed suicide anyway. All of the scenarios you’ve mentioned are not deliberate malicious acts by other parties in order to DELIBERATLEY induce mental distress. Lori Drew’s were. As the mother of a teen, I find Lori Drew to be the moral equivalent of a slug. This was beyond just a “bad judgment call”. Drew’s actions would have been hideous had she merely been another teen. The fact that she is a 40+ mother herself just adds an element of sick and twisted to it. Regardless of how anyone feels about it at this point, my earlier comment is that this will follow her around for the rest of her miserable life. Hopefully people will learn to keep their young children away from MySpace, and supposedly “mature” adults will think twice about using it to harrass anyone. Good luck with that.
on December 18, 2008 at 12:12 am | Reply Danny Vice

“Whatever”…..

Your entire argument is so devoid of the facts surrounding the Megan Meier case that your comment hardly deserve a response. It’s like someone arguing that the sun is made of cheese. If someone is thick skulled enough to believe such nonsense, they are usually incapable of hearing rational thought.

Just the same, let’s clear the record on a few issues.

We do not live in a world where it’s survival of the fittest. If that were true there would be no medicines or hospitals. The weak would simply die off. YOU would likely have died off by now. Unfortunately however, you are alive and well – as we can hear you blathering your utter nonsense.

Anyone who is clinically depressed has a disability, scientifically speaking. Your argument suggests that if you break your arm, and then I go and kick you in the arm, that it’s essentially your fault.

Those who have studied this case know that Lori Drew was well aware of Megan’s problems. She knew Megan was on medication and she knew WHY she was on medication. Lori Drew essentially USED that weakness to exploit the teen.

Next, we know that Megan was engaged to some degree in discussions that were sexual – relationship oriented – in nature. If you’re suggesting there’s nothing wrong with a grown adult luring a 13 year old girl into a sexual discussion, you have a whole new set of mental issues that go well beyond your weak grasp of proper grammar.

You claim “I would have done anything I had to, to find the truth.”

This is interesting, since you obviously don’t have even the most basic understanding of what happened in this story. You spell all the names wrong multiple times, you incorrectly refer to the charge as manslaughter (it wasn’t), you failed to realize the teen WAS under active treatment and a whole host of other vital details that directly effect what happened.

In other words, your comments are a lump of steaming nonsense because you don’t really have the foggiest idea of what the actual facts and details of the case entails.

Elfnino – btw – if you remember correctly, this case was the big story when I first met you. =)

I’m glad to see you’re still blogging and always appreciate your visits to my site as well!
on December 18, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Reply ElfNinosMom

Hiya, Danny! Yep, this was the big case when we first met. Glad to see you still plugging away on your blog as well!
on January 3, 2009 at 5:59 am | Reply Arctic Chicken

Lori Drew is clearly a full blown and raging psychopath, a narcissist, anti-social, and paranoid. Despite all the coverage, I hear very little about her childhood, other than from a Kansas City news report from a classmate of hers. It makes you wonder why her classmates have not come forward.

Here is a link that may have some info on Lori Drew’s family tree. It does not identify her parents, but it does identify her husband’s parents.
http://www.yodernewsletter.org/nonamish/yet2001b.html

I think Lori Drew could be an illegitimate child of Fred Phelps because they kinda look alike and they are both extreme psychopaths and deviants. Personality disorders are genetic and environmental. Than again, Phelps is very delusional and violently abuses his own children and wife, while Drew is an injustice collector. Usually personality disorders tend to develop in late teens and early adulthood.
on March 2, 2009 at 9:00 pm | Reply Kayla

Okay, for all those IDIOTS that think it’s all Megans fault she died, you’re completely wrong. Some people are born with mental disabilities like Megan. I would know because I am diagnosed with depression and I am sad like she was sometimes also. People cyberbullying her and saying negative things about her just pushes her to her limit. And some people have a hard time valuing their own life and need others to tell them that they are worthy. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. I’m standing up for her because I know what it’s like to get pushed around and have negative things thrown into your head by adults.

And for the mother of this other girl! Don’t even get me started. What kind of mother is she to actually do something like this to a thirteen year old girl! A SICK ONE. How the !@#$ would she feel if the situation was reversed and some one did something that awful to her daughter!? As a parent and an ADULT she should be the role model and stand up for the right thing. Not promote bullying. I understand she was just trying to protect her own daughter, but she went about it the compeletly wrong way.

Even if Megan was saying things about her daughter and spreading rumors, it gave her no right to go down to that level and be fake and tell some one life is better without them. No one deserves that no matter what they have done.

And I know they can’t get her for murder, but I know they can get her for fraud. Using some one elses picture and name and making a fake myspace. How !@#$ed up!
on March 23, 2009 at 11:09 am | Reply barbiechin

FUCK YOU FAT ASS LORI DREW YOU JUST AIN’T GOT A LIFE THAT’S WHY YOU PICKED ON A LITTLE GIRL CAUSE YOU KNEW EXACTLY HOW IT FELT. YOU FUCKER FAT MOM ASS.. YOU AND YOUR DAUGTHER SHOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE NOBODY CARES IF MEGAN DIDNT WANT YOUR UGLY FAT ASS DAUGTHER TO BE FRIENDS WITH, I MEAN, GET A LIFE, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. imagine an adult getting even with a 13yr old kid. geez. HOW FUCKING LOW CAN YOU AND YOUR SUPER DUPER FAT ASSES can take you. YOU AND YOUR FATTEST BEYOND ALL REASON RETARD ASS HAS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH REALITY. PIGSHIT LORI AND SARAH GO GET SOME EXERCISE YOU FUCKING OBESE.
on March 23, 2009 at 11:12 am | Reply barbiechin

HEY DANNY, TOO BAD MORALITY FUCKING EXIST YOU WANNA BE COMEDIAN. LOSER…I..
- on April 8, 2009 at 2:23 pm | Reply ElfNinosMom
  
  Um …. Danny actually was speaking out against someone supporting Lori Drew.
on March 23, 2009 at 11:27 am | Reply barbiechin

YOU DONT CARE? WHEN YOU DIE(OBVIOUSLY WE ALL DIE ONEDAY)GUESS WHAT?SOMEONE’S REALLY WAITING TO TAKE YOU TO HELL. NYAHAHAH HONESTLY. SHE IS. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DONT CARE, YOU KILLED A LIFE. GET IT? OR JUST TOO BLISS OR PLAIN DUMB ASS. (DUMBASS IS MORE LIKELY) STOP IT WITH YOUR REASONS. A FAT DUMB AND OLD LOSER THIEF IS CAUGHT, HE WILL NEVER EVER ADMIT THAT HE STOLE IT.
on April 10, 2009 at 1:43 am | Reply Arctic Chicken

I wonder what kind of future does the Drews, Grills, and Mulford have, let say decades from now. My guess is that Lori Drew will be reviled for a very long time. She already joins a list of infamous figures like Osama bin Laden, Bernard Madoff, or Casey Anthony. Not that I am comparing Drew to someone who killed 3,000 people or scams billions of dollars.
on May 9, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Reply Paco Vanhalen

Too bad Blobba-fat Lori Drew isn’t a man. Don’t alot of men get put away for a very long time for cyber sexual encounters with minors? This is definitely a double standard.
I hope Lori and her fat assed accomplice are put away for awhile and then live out the rest of their lives in living hell. How can somebody as hefty as drew is even remotely begin to call o ther people fat? They deserve all that comes to them. A grown adult and an 18 year old messing with a 13 year old. They defintely should have known better and should have stayed with their coupons.
on July 3, 2009 at 3:45 am | Reply oscar

Today Lori’s sentence was rightly overturned. Hooray for logic finally overiding a wrong decision that was ruled on emotion.

Megan killed herself; no one else is responsible. It’s Darwinism at its clearest. Did anyone else pull the trigger? Did anyone else slit the wrist? Did anyone else tie the noose around her neck? No.

While her actions were cruel and immature, Lori Drew is not a murderer, and shouldn’t be held accountable for someone else’s (Megan’s) actions; just as you shouldn’t be held accountable for for anyone else’s actions, either.

So now, all you weak, oversensitive fucks should go kill yourselves. Ooops… hope I don’t get sent to jail because my constitutionally protected speech hurt your feelings.